小菜菜菜 发表于 2020-7-11 09:42

BLDC电机导入2D后额定转速偏大

BLDC电机在RMxprt里额定转速60000左右,但是导入2D后可以到70000~80000转,想请问一下各位大佬是不是电磁设计上有问题?该从什么地方改进?
PERMANENT MAGNET DATA

Residual Flux Density (Tesla):        1.23
Coercive Force (kA/m):        890
Maximum Energy Density (kJ/m^3):        273.675
Relative Recoil Permeability:        1.09981
Demagnetized Flux Density (Tesla):        0.000150146
Recoil Residual Flux Density (Tesla):        1.23
Recoil Coercive Force (kA/m):        890


   USER DEFINED DATA

Fractions:        1

   MATERIAL CONSUMPTION

Armature Copper Density (kg/m^3):        8900
Permanent Magnet Density (kg/m^3):        7400
Armature Core Steel Density (kg/m^3):        7650
Rotor Core Steel Density (kg/m^3):        7650

Armature Copper Weight (kg):        0.0635678
Permanent Magnet Weight (kg):        0.0169058
Armature Core Steel Weight (kg):        0.166756
Rotor Core Steel Weight (kg):        0.0272334
Total Net Weight (kg):        0.274464

Armature Core Steel Consumption (kg):        0.423841
Rotor Core Steel Consumption (kg):        0.0665645


   STEADY STATE PARAMETERS

Stator Winding Factor:        0.866025
D-Axis Reactive Inductance Lad (H):        0.000100143
Q-Axis Reactive Inductance Laq (H):        0.000100143
D-Axis Inductance L1+Lad(H):        0.000401252
Q-Axis Inductance L1+Laq(H):        0.000401252
Armature Leakage Inductance L1 (H):        0.00030111
Slot Leakage Inductance Ls1 (H):        0.000249204
End Leakage Inductance Le1 (H):        9.74574e-06
Harmonic Leakage Inductance Ld1 (H):        4.21596e-05
Zero-Sequence Inductance L0 (H):        5.44387e-05
Armature Phase Resistance R1 (ohm):        0.121067
Armature Phase Resistance at 20C (ohm):        0.0995875
D-Axis Time Constant (s):        0.000827166
Q-Axis Time Constant (s):        0.000827166

Ideal Back-EMF Constant KE (Vs/rad):        0.0326766
Start Torque Constant KT (Nm/A):        0.00500995
Rated Torque Constant KT (Nm/A):        0.0456674


   NO-LOAD MAGNETIC DATA

Stator-Teeth Flux Density (Tesla):        1.12204
Stator-Yoke Flux Density (Tesla):        1.10971
Rotor-Yoke Flux Density (Tesla):        1.45319
Air-Gap Flux Density (Tesla):        0.622331
Magnet Flux Density (Tesla):        0.813344

Stator-Teeth By-Pass Factor:        0.00115597
Stator-Yoke By-Pass Factor:        5.18496e-05
Rotor-Yoke By-Pass Factor:        4.57661e-05

Stator-Teeth Ampere Turns (A.T):        6.34214
Stator-Yoke Ampere Turns (A.T):        13.0085
Rotor-Yoke Ampere Turns (A.T):        1.11517
Air-Gap Ampere Turns (A.T):        522.014
Magnet Ampere Turns (A.T):        -542.67

Armature Reactive Ampere Turns
at Start Operation (A.T):        17288.6
Leakage-Flux Factor:        1
Correction Factor for Magnetic
Circuit Length of Stator Yoke:        0.86681
Correction Factor for Magnetic
Circuit Length of Rotor Yoke:        0.201023

No-Load Speed (rpm):        90197.1
Cogging Torque (N.m):        0.00270121


   FULL-LOAD DATA

Average Input Current (A):        10.4564
Root-Mean-Square Armature Current (A):        12.8069
Armature Thermal Load (A^2/mm^3):        1078.92
Specific Electric Loading (A/mm):        55.0335
Armature Current Density (A/mm^2):        19.6049
Frictional and Windage Loss (W):        10.3675
Iron-Core Loss (W):        4.07008
Armature Copper Loss (W):        59.5709
Transistor Loss (W):        54.43
Diode Loss (W):        12.821
Total Loss (W):        141.26
Output Power (W):        3100.23
Input Power (W):        3241.49
Efficiency (%):        95.6421

Rated Speed (rpm):        62205.1
Rated Torque (N.m):        0.475926

Locked-Rotor Torque (N.m):        6.31922
Locked-Rotor Current (A):        1261.65


   WINDING ARRANGEMENT

The 3-phase, 2-layer winding can be arranged in 3 slots as below:

ABC


Angle per slot (elec. degrees):        120
Phase-A axis (elec. degrees):        60
First slot center (elec. degrees):        0



   TRANSIENT FEA INPUT DATA

For Armature Winding:
Number of Turns:        54
Parallel Branches:        1
Terminal Resistance (ohm):        0.121067
End Leakage Inductance (H):        9.74574e-06
2D Equivalent Value:
Equivalent Model Depth (mm):        20
Equivalent Stator Stacking Factor:        0.95
Equivalent Rotor Stacking Factor:        0.95
Equivalent Br (Tesla):        1.23
Equivalent Hc (kA/m):        890

小伺服老刘 发表于 2020-7-11 21:16

电压多少啊?你反电势力差不多2.7v,按220v电压Y接法也就8万转

小菜菜菜 发表于 2020-7-11 22:27

小伺服老刘 发表于 2020-7-11 21:16
电压多少啊?你反电势力差不多2.7v,按220v电压Y接法也就8万转

额定电压给的是310V

小伺服老刘 发表于 2020-7-11 23:56

小菜菜菜 发表于 2020-07-11 22:27
额定电压给的是310V

那就对了,2d里面应该是空载转速吧
负载转速还要低点

小菜菜菜 发表于 2020-7-12 09:15

小伺服老刘 发表于 2020-7-11 23:56
那就对了,2d里面应该是空载转速吧
负载转速还要低点

我在2D里设置跑的是从启动到额定转速,结果最后额定转速达到75000左右,跟RMxprt里相差较大

小伺服老刘 发表于 2020-7-12 09:48

小菜菜菜 发表于 2020-07-12 09:15
我在2D里设置跑的是从启动到额定转速,结果最后额定转速达到75000左右,跟RMxprt里相差较大

设置内容和结果发了看看

小菜菜菜 发表于 2020-7-12 10:22

小伺服老刘 发表于 2020-7-12 09:48
设置内容和结果发了看看


之前的结果我删掉了,曲线类似这样,最后稳定在75000的样子


小伺服老刘 发表于 2020-7-12 11:48

小菜菜菜 发表于 2020-07-12 10:22
之前的结果我删掉了,曲线类似这样,最后稳定在75000的样子

激烈使用的截图看下,

小伺服老刘 发表于 2020-7-12 11:49

小伺服老刘 发表于 2020-07-12 11:48
激烈使用的截图看下,

load torque里是自动生成的公式吧?

小菜菜菜 发表于 2020-7-12 12:37

小伺服老刘 发表于 2020-7-12 11:49
load torque里是自动生成的公式吧?

嗯嗯,就是导入以后自动生成的

小伺服老刘 发表于 2020-7-12 14:37

小菜菜菜 发表于 2020-07-12 12:37
嗯嗯,就是导入以后自动生成的

我的曲线跟你不一样

小伺服老刘 发表于 2020-7-12 14:40

小菜菜菜 发表于 2020-07-12 12:37
嗯嗯,就是导入以后自动生成的

rm里750w,AC220v,2.39nm,额定3000rpm,2d里起始速度3000rpm,激励使用自生成电路,然后torque,speed就这样了,还蛮准的
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