青鸟飞鱼 发表于 2017-8-9 21:05

一个BLDC仿真结果与实际电机数据不符,求助各位大神。问题出在哪里可以帮我看看。



以下是基于RMxprt我自己做的一个BLDC的仿真,电机的原始数据为48V 、60W、8P、12槽、4000RPM 、0.145NM、1.6A、反电动势系数6.35Vrms/kRPM、电阻1.8Ω、电感1.9mH,
但我的仿真结果如下,效率很低,铜耗较高,问题出在哪里,而且额定转速也不正确,有哪位大神可以帮我看看。谢谢。   



      BRUSHLESS PERMANENT MAGNET DC MOTOR DESIGN

                      File: Setup1.res


   GENERAL DATA

Rated Output Power (kW):        0.06
Rated Voltage (V):        48
Number of Poles:        8
Given Rated Speed (rpm):        4000
Frictional Loss (W):        7
Windage Loss (W):        0
Rotor Position:        Inner
Type of Load:        Constant Power
Type of Circuit:        L3
Lead Angle of Trigger in Elec. Degrees:        0
Trigger Pulse Width in Elec. Degrees:        120
One-Transistor Voltage Drop (V):        0
One-Diode Voltage Drop (V):        0
Operating Temperature (C):        75
Maximum Current for CCC (A):        0
Minimum Current for CCC (A):        0


   STATOR DATA

Number of Stator Slots:        12
Outer Diameter of Stator (mm):        56
Inner Diameter of Stator (mm):        30

Type of Stator Slot:        3
Stator Slot       
            hs0 (mm):        1
            hs1 (mm):        2.15
            hs2 (mm):        6.4
            bs0 (mm):        2.52
            bs1 (mm):        6.22
            bs2 (mm):        9.72
            rs (mm):        0.65

Top Tooth Width (mm):        3.35963
Bottom Tooth Width (mm):        3.29177
Skew Width (Number of Slots)        0

Length of Stator Core (mm):        28
Stacking Factor of Stator Core:        0.95
Type of Steel:        D23_50
Designed Wedge Thickness (mm):        2.15
Slot Insulation Thickness (mm):        0
Layer Insulation Thickness (mm):        0
End Length Adjustment (mm):        0
Number of Parallel Branches:        4
Number of Conductors per Slot:        454
Type of Coils:        21
Average Coil Pitch:        1
Number of Wires per Conductor:        1
Wire Diameter (mm):        0.19
Wire Wrap Thickness (mm):        0.04
Slot Area (mm^2):        69.0602
Net Slot Area (mm^2):        57.1447
Limited Slot Fill Factor (%):        75
Stator Slot Fill Factor (%):        42.0277
Coil Half-Turn Length (mm):        41.0961


   ROTOR DATA

Minimum Air Gap (mm):        0.5
Inner Diameter (mm):        8
Length of Rotor (mm):        28
Stacking Factor of Iron Core:        0.95
Type of Steel:        D23_50
Polar Arc Radius (mm):        14.5
Mechanical Pole Embrace:        0.9
Electrical Pole Embrace:        0.856917
Max. Thickness of Magnet (mm):        2.75
Width of Magnet (mm):        9.27752
Type of Magnet:        NdFe35
Type of Rotor:        1
Magnetic Shaft:        No


   PERMANENT MAGNET DATA

Residual Flux Density (Tesla):        1.23
Coercive Force (kA/m):        890
Maximum Energy Density (kJ/m^3):        273.675
Relative Recoil Permeability:        1.09981
Demagnetized Flux Density (Tesla):        0.88624
Recoil Residual Flux Density (Tesla):        1.23
Recoil Coercive Force (kA/m):        890

   MATERIAL CONSUMPTION

Armature Copper Density (kg/m^3):        8900
Permanent Magnet Density (kg/m^3):        7400
Armature Core Steel Density (kg/m^3):        7820
Rotor Core Steel Density (kg/m^3):        7820

Armature Copper Weight (kg):        0.0564969
Permanent Magnet Weight (kg):        0.0422906
Armature Core Steel Weight (kg):        0.192916
Rotor Core Steel Weight (kg):        0.0797665
Total Net Weight (kg):        0.37147

Armature Core Steel Consumption (kg):        0.609362
Rotor Core Steel Consumption (kg):        0.114728


   STEADY STATE PARAMETERS

Stator Winding Factor:        0.866025
D-Axis Reactive Inductance Lad (H):        0.000636432
Q-Axis Reactive Inductance Laq (H):        0.000636432
D-Axis Inductance L1+Lad(H):        0.00288636
Q-Axis Inductance L1+Laq(H):        0.00288636
Armature Leakage Inductance L1 (H):        0.00224993
Zero-Sequence Inductance L0 (H):        0.000258732
Armature Phase Resistance R1 (ohm):        3.56992
Armature Phase Resistance at 20C (ohm):        2.93655
D-Axis Time Constant (s):        0.000178276
Q-Axis Time Constant (s):        0.000178276

Ideal Back-EMF Constant KE (Vs/rad):        0.151202
Start Torque Constant KT (Nm/A):        0.149694
Rated Torque Constant KT (Nm/A):        0.129209


   NO-LOAD MAGNETIC DATA

Stator-Teeth Flux Density (Tesla):        2.01548
Stator-Yoke Flux Density (Tesla):        1.42623
Rotor-Yoke Flux Density (Tesla):        0.555156
Air-Gap Flux Density (Tesla):        0.781827
Magnet Flux Density (Tesla):        0.925428

Stator-Teeth By-Pass Factor:        0.036558
Stator-Yoke By-Pass Factor:        6.87595e-005
Rotor-Yoke By-Pass Factor:        2.0285e-005

Stator-Teeth Ampere Turns (A.T):        204.274
Stator-Yoke Ampere Turns (A.T):        5.14705
Rotor-Yoke Ampere Turns (A.T):        0.413689
Air-Gap Ampere Turns (A.T):        396.433
Magnet Ampere Turns (A.T):        -606.049

Armature Reactive Ampere Turns
at Start Operation (A.T):        146.115
Leakage-Flux Factor:        1
Correction Factor for Magnetic
Circuit Length of Stator Yoke:        0.350499
Correction Factor for Magnetic
Circuit Length of Rotor Yoke:        0.785806

No-Load Speed (rpm):        3056.65
Cogging Torque (N.m):        0.213669


   FULL-LOAD DATA

Average Input Current (A):        1.78035
Root-Mean-Square Armature Current (A):        0.719412
Armature Thermal Load (A^2/mm^3):        65.9484
Specific Electric Loading (A/mm):        10.3964
Armature Current Density (A/mm^2):        6.34338
Frictional and Windage Loss (W):        4.70456
Iron-Core Loss (W):        15.1538
Armature Copper Loss (W):        5.54288
Transistor Loss (W):        0
Diode Loss (W):        0
Total Loss (W):        25.4012
Output Power (W):        60.0558
Input Power (W):        85.457
Efficiency (%):        70.276

Rated Speed (rpm):        2688.32
Rated Torque (N.m):        0.213327

Locked-Rotor Torque (N.m):        2.99678
Locked-Rotor Current (A):        20.1311


   WINDING ARRANGEMENT

The 3-phase, 2-layer winding can be arranged in 3 slots as below:

ABC


Angle per slot (elec. degrees):        120
Phase-A axis (elec. degrees):        60
First slot center (elec. degrees):        0



   TRANSIENT FEA INPUT DATA

For Armature Winding:
Number of Turns:        908
Parallel Branches:        4
Terminal Resistance (ohm):        3.56992
End Leakage Inductance (H):        2.83884e-005
2D Equivalent Value:
Equivalent Model Depth (mm):        28
Equivalent Stator Stacking Factor:        0.95
Equivalent Rotor Stacking Factor:        0.95
Equivalent Br (Tesla):        1.23
Equivalent Hc (kA/m):        890
Estimated Rotor Moment of Inertia (kg m^2):        1.51651e-005

土豆烧洋芋 发表于 2017-8-9 23:31

这就是个错误转速就一半多一点磁密高低不均匀

mfkfnaps 发表于 2017-8-10 08:58

供参考,
线圈匝数减小近1半,线径加大近3个线号,计算下试试,如果方向是对的,你可以反复多次调整直到达到你自己满意的效果;
空载转速低于负载转速不正常,提高转速可以减叠片或减线圈匝数。

mfkfnaps 发表于 2017-8-10 09:32

没注意楼主的是实际电机与模拟不符,还以为楼主要调整设计呢,以下供参考。
可以从以下几个方面着手,以下是你设定的参数
Type of Load:      Constant Power
改为Liner,便于查看整体曲线及电流,效率等,易于调整
Operating Temperature (C):      75
操作温度,你实际电机一般不会在这个温度去进行测试,应该是室温,你可以改为25试试
Frictional Loss (W):      7
损失你的设定都11.7%,是否合理,也可以再考虑
二极管压降
没看到该参数,你是设定成0.3还是0.7
三极管压降
没看到该参数,你是设定成0.3还是0.2
48V是电你实际产品的电源电压还是加到线圈后的电压,这个对转速也是有影响的
另外,RM没那么准确,为了快速计算的,结果参考下,要想计算的相对准确,最好还是用2D来算。

青鸟飞鱼 发表于 2017-8-10 18:16

mfkfnaps 发表于 2017-8-10 08:58
供参考,
线圈匝数减小近1半,线径加大近3个线号,计算下试试,如果方向是对的,你可以反复多次调整直到达 ...

这是已经有产品的电机,采用0.19的线径,227匝,输出的额定数据为48V 、60W、8P、12槽、4000RPM 、0.145NM、1.6A、反电动势系数6.35Vrms/kRPM、电阻1.8Ω、电感1.9mH,我就是想仿真验证下,单输出结果跟额定数据相差很远,想找下问题原因。

青鸟飞鱼 发表于 2017-8-10 18:31

mfkfnaps 发表于 2017-8-10 09:32
没注意楼主的是实际电机与模拟不符,还以为楼主要调整设计呢,以下供参考。
可以从以下几个方面着手,以下 ...

二极管和三极管我都没有设置,设置后也基本不变,温度也改到25℃了,至于7W损耗我这里有数据的,可见附件图片。为什么转速这么低呢,铜耗这么多,效率这么低,没找到原因,还有没有其他原因导致。下面是更改后的数据报告。

         BRUSHLESS PERMANENT MAGNET DC MOTOR DESIGN

                      File: Setup1.res


   GENERAL DATA

Rated Output Power (kW):        0.06
Rated Voltage (V):        48
Number of Poles:        8
Given Rated Speed (rpm):        4000
Frictional Loss (W):        6
Windage Loss (W):        0
Rotor Position:        Inner
Type of Load:        Constant Power
Type of Circuit:        L3
Lead Angle of Trigger in Elec. Degrees:        0
Trigger Pulse Width in Elec. Degrees:        120
One-Transistor Voltage Drop (V):        0.7
One-Diode Voltage Drop (V):        0.3
Operating Temperature (C):        75
Maximum Current for CCC (A):        0
Minimum Current for CCC (A):        0


   STATOR DATA

Number of Stator Slots:        12
Outer Diameter of Stator (mm):        56
Inner Diameter of Stator (mm):        30

Type of Stator Slot:        3
Stator Slot       
            hs0 (mm):        1
            hs1 (mm):        2.15
            hs2 (mm):        6.4
            bs0 (mm):        2.52
            bs1 (mm):        6.22
            bs2 (mm):        9.72
            rs (mm):        0.65

Top Tooth Width (mm):        3.35963
Bottom Tooth Width (mm):        3.29177
Skew Width (Number of Slots)        0

Length of Stator Core (mm):        28
Stacking Factor of Stator Core:        0.95
Type of Steel:        D23_50
Designed Wedge Thickness (mm):        2.15
Slot Insulation Thickness (mm):        0
Layer Insulation Thickness (mm):        0
End Length Adjustment (mm):        0
Number of Parallel Branches:        4
Number of Conductors per Slot:        454
Type of Coils:        21
Average Coil Pitch:        1
Number of Wires per Conductor:        1
Wire Diameter (mm):        0.19
Wire Wrap Thickness (mm):        0.04
Slot Area (mm^2):        69.0602
Net Slot Area (mm^2):        57.1447
Limited Slot Fill Factor (%):        75
Stator Slot Fill Factor (%):        42.0277
Coil Half-Turn Length (mm):        41.0961


   ROTOR DATA

Minimum Air Gap (mm):        0.5
Inner Diameter (mm):        8
Length of Rotor (mm):        28
Stacking Factor of Iron Core:        0.95
Type of Steel:        D23_50
Polar Arc Radius (mm):        14.5
Mechanical Pole Embrace:        0.9
Electrical Pole Embrace:        0.856917
Max. Thickness of Magnet (mm):        2.75
Width of Magnet (mm):        9.27752
Type of Magnet:        NdFe35
Type of Rotor:        1
Magnetic Shaft:        No


   PERMANENT MAGNET DATA

Residual Flux Density (Tesla):        1.23
Coercive Force (kA/m):        890
Maximum Energy Density (kJ/m^3):        273.675
Relative Recoil Permeability:        1.09981
Demagnetized Flux Density (Tesla):        0.887441
Recoil Residual Flux Density (Tesla):        1.23
Recoil Coercive Force (kA/m):        890

   MATERIAL CONSUMPTION

Armature Copper Density (kg/m^3):        8900
Permanent Magnet Density (kg/m^3):        7400
Armature Core Steel Density (kg/m^3):        7820
Rotor Core Steel Density (kg/m^3):        7820

Armature Copper Weight (kg):        0.0564969
Permanent Magnet Weight (kg):        0.0422906
Armature Core Steel Weight (kg):        0.192916
Rotor Core Steel Weight (kg):        0.0797665
Total Net Weight (kg):        0.37147

Armature Core Steel Consumption (kg):        0.609362
Rotor Core Steel Consumption (kg):        0.114728


   STEADY STATE PARAMETERS

Stator Winding Factor:        0.866025
D-Axis Reactive Inductance Lad (H):        0.000636432
Q-Axis Reactive Inductance Laq (H):        0.000636432
D-Axis Inductance L1+Lad(H):        0.00288636
Q-Axis Inductance L1+Laq(H):        0.00288636
Armature Leakage Inductance L1 (H):        0.00224993
Zero-Sequence Inductance L0 (H):        0.000258732
Armature Phase Resistance R1 (ohm):        3.56992
Armature Phase Resistance at 20C (ohm):        2.93655
D-Axis Time Constant (s):        0.000178276
Q-Axis Time Constant (s):        0.000178276

Ideal Back-EMF Constant KE (Vs/rad):        0.151133
Start Torque Constant KT (Nm/A):        0.149669
Rated Torque Constant KT (Nm/A):        0.130675


   NO-LOAD MAGNETIC DATA

Stator-Teeth Flux Density (Tesla):        2.01548
Stator-Yoke Flux Density (Tesla):        1.42623
Rotor-Yoke Flux Density (Tesla):        0.555156
Air-Gap Flux Density (Tesla):        0.781827
Magnet Flux Density (Tesla):        0.925428

Stator-Teeth By-Pass Factor:        0.036558
Stator-Yoke By-Pass Factor:        6.87595e-005
Rotor-Yoke By-Pass Factor:        2.0285e-005

Stator-Teeth Ampere Turns (A.T):        204.274
Stator-Yoke Ampere Turns (A.T):        5.14705
Rotor-Yoke Ampere Turns (A.T):        0.413689
Air-Gap Ampere Turns (A.T):        396.433
Magnet Ampere Turns (A.T):        -606.049

Armature Reactive Ampere Turns
at Start Operation (A.T):        141.853
Leakage-Flux Factor:        1
Correction Factor for Magnetic
Circuit Length of Stator Yoke:        0.350499
Correction Factor for Magnetic
Circuit Length of Rotor Yoke:        0.785806

No-Load Speed (rpm):        2967.5
Cogging Torque (N.m):        0.213669


   FULL-LOAD DATA

Average Input Current (A):        1.79913
Root-Mean-Square Armature Current (A):        0.735257
Armature Thermal Load (A^2/mm^3):        68.8854
Specific Electric Loading (A/mm):        10.6254
Armature Current Density (A/mm^2):        6.48309
Frictional and Windage Loss (W):        3.89524
Iron-Core Loss (W):        14.4868
Armature Copper Loss (W):        5.78973
Transistor Loss (W):        2.13247
Diode Loss (W):        0.0156924
Total Loss (W):        26.3199
Output Power (W):        60.0381
Input Power (W):        86.358
Efficiency (%):        69.5223

Rated Speed (rpm):        2596.83
Rated Torque (N.m):        0.220778

Locked-Rotor Torque (N.m):        2.91145
Locked-Rotor Current (A):        19.5482


   WINDING ARRANGEMENT

The 3-phase, 2-layer winding can be arranged in 3 slots as below:

ABC


Angle per slot (elec. degrees):        120
Phase-A axis (elec. degrees):        60
First slot center (elec. degrees):        0



   TRANSIENT FEA INPUT DATA

For Armature Winding:
Number of Turns:        908
Parallel Branches:        4
Terminal Resistance (ohm):        3.56992
End Leakage Inductance (H):        2.83884e-005
2D Equivalent Value:
Equivalent Model Depth (mm):        28
Equivalent Stator Stacking Factor:        0.95
Equivalent Rotor Stacking Factor:        0.95
Equivalent Br (Tesla):        1.23
Equivalent Hc (kA/m):        890
Estimated Rotor Moment of Inertia (kg m^2):        1.51651e-005

lishiyou1990 发表于 2017-8-10 19:52

                  云台电机??

青鸟飞鱼 发表于 2017-8-11 18:01

lishiyou1990 发表于 2017-8-10 19:52
云台电机??

不是,云台电机是什么?

zy1986 发表于 2017-8-11 19:00

本帖最后由 zy1986 于 2017-8-11 19:22 编辑

很多原因会导致出现这样的结果,尺寸对不对?材料对不对?       你的定子齿磁密都有2t了。损耗大头在铁损,铜损基本上还算正常。   

青鸟飞鱼 发表于 2017-8-11 22:09

zy1986 发表于 2017-8-11 19:00
很多原因会导致出现这样的结果,尺寸对不对?材料对不对?       你的定子齿磁密都有2t了。损耗大头在铁损 ...

额定转速才2500多也是这个原因吗?

lizhen2979371 发表于 2017-8-29 11:07

应该从磁场入手吧~~~~齿磁密太高了,把齿改宽一些吧
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